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Evk posted 05-15-99 01:32 PM ET
I was playing a huge map game last time and it shaped up so that there were basically three major forces:
1.) Yang;
2.) Miriam, Santiago, and Deirde, who all had pacts with each other;
3.) Me with Morgan as a submissive pact brother.
Yang and the other three were in a state of basically constant warfare. Yang was slowly but surely getting the worst of it. I figured I was up for a good challenge, so I would become a Pact Brother with him and wipe out the gaians, belivers, and spartans. Seems simple enough.
Unfortuneatly Yang wouldnt' sign a pact with me. Because my government was (gasp) Democracy! Oh no!!! So, basically, he refused the help of the most powerful faction on Planet because I have a diffrent govnernmenet system. This seems somewhat like Stalin rejecting American and British help during WWII because they were Democracies.
So, anyway, the point of this too-long story is, I think perhaps the game should be tweaked just a little so that your government choices don't have so much of an effect on the enemy leaders. I mean, when was the last time you heard a government declare war on another one because they have a diffrent government system?
I can only think of two off the top of my head: Persia verus Iona and Everyone versus France (circa the 1700's).
Urban Ranger posted 05-15-99 01:48 PM ET
This reminds in one of my games, I was grounding Yang down to his last base. The funny thing was, while I had a zillion bases (already into the Greek alphabet), he was still threatening me with total destruction. This was total idiocy. Previously in the same game, Santiago and Morgan both had admitted defeat and signed submissive pacts. This is just the sort of silliness you will see over and over again.
The "AI" simply isn't good enough to realise that the punishment sphere is just around the corner.
HolyWarrior posted 05-16-99 01:30 AM ET
Urban Ranger, a question:
Did you ever use atrocities, such as gas, on Yang?
If you did, he won't ever surrender.
DIE COMMIE SCUM! DIE YANG DIE!
Evk posted 05-16-99 04:04 AM ET
I've only once gotten someone to surrender to me. Morgan, with one city left. And I was using Planned economy.
I ended up winning without his help (I had 2000+ votes on the planetary council - Diplomatic victory is fun) and just thought I'd point that out. Take that, Nwabudike!
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Author	Topic: Unrealistic government
Evk	posted 05-15-99 01:32 PM ET I was playing a huge map game last time and it shaped up so that there were basically three major forces: 1.) Yang; 2.) Miriam, Santiago, and Deirde, who all had pacts with each other; 3.) Me with Morgan as a submissive pact brother. Yang and the other three were in a state of basically constant warfare. Yang was slowly but surely getting the worst of it. I figured I was up for a good challenge, so I would become a Pact Brother with him and wipe out the gaians, belivers, and spartans. Seems simple enough. Unfortuneatly Yang wouldnt' sign a pact with me. Because my government was (gasp) Democracy! Oh no!!! So, basically, he refused the help of the most powerful faction on Planet because I have a diffrent govnernmenet system. This seems somewhat like Stalin rejecting American and British help during WWII because they were Democracies. So, anyway, the point of this too-long story is, I think perhaps the game should be tweaked just a little so that your government choices don't have so much of an effect on the enemy leaders. I mean, when was the last time you heard a government declare war on another one because they have a diffrent government system? I can only think of two off the top of my head: Persia verus Iona and Everyone versus France (circa the 1700's).
Urban Ranger	posted 05-15-99 01:48 PM ET This reminds in one of my games, I was grounding Yang down to his last base. The funny thing was, while I had a zillion bases (already into the Greek alphabet), he was still threatening me with total destruction. This was total idiocy. Previously in the same game, Santiago and Morgan both had admitted defeat and signed submissive pacts. This is just the sort of silliness you will see over and over again. The "AI" simply isn't good enough to realise that the punishment sphere is just around the corner.
HolyWarrior	posted 05-16-99 01:30 AM ET Urban Ranger, a question: Did you ever use atrocities, such as gas, on Yang? If you did, he won't ever surrender. DIE COMMIE SCUM! DIE YANG DIE!
Evk	posted 05-16-99 04:04 AM ET I've only once gotten someone to surrender to me. Morgan, with one city left. And I was using Planned economy. I ended up winning without his help (I had 2000+ votes on the planetary council - Diplomatic victory is fun) and just thought I'd point that out. Take that, Nwabudike!