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Sanjuro posted 04-10-99 04:47 AM ET
I know this has been posted before, but there didn't seem to be a reply, so I ask again:
Why can't I eliminate Ecological Damage completely???
According to the datalinks (and the hintbook) a PLANET rating of 3 reduces ecological damage completely. Now I experimented with this (custom factions etc.) and got it as high as 9, but the damage still remains.
Could someone please tell me what's going on, or at least how to circumvent this (I really don't want 75% of my population being specialists just so that I don't get overrun by mindworms every turn!).
SANJURO
Thue posted 04-10-99 08:25 PM ET
I read in a post from Brian Reynolds (no, not Bryan or Brion ) that the maximum value used for eco damage calculation is 2. Not that it is documented anywhere in the help files...
trippin daily posted 04-10-99 09:04 PM ET
well u can't get rid of eco damage completely if u have a huge base... just build an empath chopper and make sure u have the dream twister... that way u can at least kill the worms all at once.. u have to kill the locust seperately Hopefully they will come out with something in the addon to completely prevent eco damage, until then... u have to put up with makin planet mad
Sanjuro posted 04-11-99 10:05 AM ET
Thanks for the prompt replies.
Message for FIRAXIS though:
Would it be too much trouble to put the maximum PLANET rating used in the alpha.txt file??? That way we could choose whether we like to get rid of ecological damage completely or not. I mean there are enough parameters in there (like all those combat modifiers) which IMHO are much less useful.
LeD posted 04-11-99 10:52 AM ET
I suggest an ecoworker: A new specialist type that removes up to 10 ecodamage in one city (per specialist).
You must research ecological enigneering before this specialist becomes available.
L�D
PhysicsMan posted 04-11-99 04:51 PM ET
Thue
WHERE IS THE POST FROM BRIAN REYNOLDS ON ECODAMAGE CALCULATION!!!
I would really like to read it. Also, some clarification please. This maximum value of 2 for ecodamage; is this referring to the PLANET rating portion of the equation. Thus, the maximum allowable PLANET rating in the equation is 2 (even if your PLANET rating 3 or better). Please reply! I have been after the answer to this question for almost a month.
PhysicsMan
Thue posted 04-11-99 05:31 PM ET
Yes, I am referring to the PLANET rating in the equation. Yes, that means that anything above 2 is not used in the equation.
I found the post somewhere in the
alt.games.firaxis.alpha-centauri
newsgroup, but I don't remember where. Guess you will have to look around
If you have wondered for a month you should have posted on these forums before
trippin daily posted 04-11-99 05:58 PM ET
I remember reading the ecodamage calc. on some website with a smac hint guide.. i can't remember which one.. if its the gamespot one... forget it.. its as good as lost... that is tooo much to look through for one equation
trippin daily posted 04-11-99 06:00 PM ET
Unless there is a way to get rid of ecodamage completely eventually.. im up for that eco worker talent... this is one that Firaexes needs in there next patch r addon
Thue posted 04-11-99 07:48 PM ET
The equation is also in the datalinks in the game- just look under advanced concepts
Thue posted 04-11-99 07:51 PM ET
wops - forgot to mention: But the 2 max PLANET rating is not mentioned there
VictorK posted 04-12-99 02:00 AM ET
IMO the +2 max planet rating for eco-damage is not right for the sake of balancing... I mean the Gaians (already a weak faction) are supposed to favor the green economics, so I think under green economics they should be better than other factions in reducing eco-damage. I do see that it would be too easy if eco-damage could be completely eliminated by a +3 planet rating. How about counting a +3 rating as 2.5 in the equation (so eco-damage is further halved)? I'd further suggest counting a +4 rating as 2.67, and a +5 rating as 3 (so a +5 rating would eliminate eco-damage completely).
Sanjuro posted 04-12-99 06:02 AM ET
I completely agree with VictorK, considering that the Gaians are the only faction that can achieve a PLANET rating of 5, this would make sense.
Another thing you could consider to aleviate the pain of terraforming is to add some new techs into alpha.txt which increase the nutrient, mineral or energy output in fungus. These tech should be quite late in the tree (otherwise it become very unbalanced) and have no other advantages. This way you can at least 'use' the fungus that pops up and together with the empath chopper trick reduce the hassle to an acceptable level.
Sanjuro posted 04-13-99 06:22 AM ET
By the way has someone else noticed that the ecology damage sometimes drops without any reason after a fungus explosion??? Is this a feature or a bug? It seems random though, and it does not only happen at the base the fungus explosion was.
JAMiAM posted 04-13-99 07:15 AM ET
Sanjuro,
It is a feature. It is Planet restoring balance.

JAMiAM
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Author	Topic: Ecological damage - PLANET rating.
Sanjuro	posted 04-10-99 04:47 AM ET I know this has been posted before, but there didn't seem to be a reply, so I ask again: Why can't I eliminate Ecological Damage completely??? According to the datalinks (and the hintbook) a PLANET rating of 3 reduces ecological damage completely. Now I experimented with this (custom factions etc.) and got it as high as 9, but the damage still remains. Could someone please tell me what's going on, or at least how to circumvent this (I really don't want 75% of my population being specialists just so that I don't get overrun by mindworms every turn!). SANJURO
Thue	posted 04-10-99 08:25 PM ET I read in a post from Brian Reynolds (no, not Bryan or Brion ) that the maximum value used for eco damage calculation is 2. Not that it is documented anywhere in the help files...
trippin daily	posted 04-10-99 09:04 PM ET well u can't get rid of eco damage completely if u have a huge base... just build an empath chopper and make sure u have the dream twister... that way u can at least kill the worms all at once.. u have to kill the locust seperately Hopefully they will come out with something in the addon to completely prevent eco damage, until then... u have to put up with makin planet mad
Sanjuro	posted 04-11-99 10:05 AM ET Thanks for the prompt replies. Message for FIRAXIS though: Would it be too much trouble to put the maximum PLANET rating used in the alpha.txt file??? That way we could choose whether we like to get rid of ecological damage completely or not. I mean there are enough parameters in there (like all those combat modifiers) which IMHO are much less useful.
LeD	posted 04-11-99 10:52 AM ET I suggest an ecoworker: A new specialist type that removes up to 10 ecodamage in one city (per specialist). You must research ecological enigneering before this specialist becomes available. L�D
PhysicsMan	posted 04-11-99 04:51 PM ET Thue WHERE IS THE POST FROM BRIAN REYNOLDS ON ECODAMAGE CALCULATION!!! I would really like to read it. Also, some clarification please. This maximum value of 2 for ecodamage; is this referring to the PLANET rating portion of the equation. Thus, the maximum allowable PLANET rating in the equation is 2 (even if your PLANET rating 3 or better). Please reply! I have been after the answer to this question for almost a month. PhysicsMan
Thue	posted 04-11-99 05:31 PM ET Yes, I am referring to the PLANET rating in the equation. Yes, that means that anything above 2 is not used in the equation. I found the post somewhere in the alt.games.firaxis.alpha-centauri newsgroup, but I don't remember where. Guess you will have to look around If you have wondered for a month you should have posted on these forums before
trippin daily	posted 04-11-99 05:58 PM ET I remember reading the ecodamage calc. on some website with a smac hint guide.. i can't remember which one.. if its the gamespot one... forget it.. its as good as lost... that is tooo much to look through for one equation
trippin daily	posted 04-11-99 06:00 PM ET Unless there is a way to get rid of ecodamage completely eventually.. im up for that eco worker talent... this is one that Firaexes needs in there next patch r addon
Thue	posted 04-11-99 07:48 PM ET The equation is also in the datalinks in the game- just look under advanced concepts
Thue	posted 04-11-99 07:51 PM ET wops - forgot to mention: But the 2 max PLANET rating is not mentioned there
VictorK	posted 04-12-99 02:00 AM ET IMO the +2 max planet rating for eco-damage is not right for the sake of balancing... I mean the Gaians (already a weak faction) are supposed to favor the green economics, so I think under green economics they should be better than other factions in reducing eco-damage. I do see that it would be too easy if eco-damage could be completely eliminated by a +3 planet rating. How about counting a +3 rating as 2.5 in the equation (so eco-damage is further halved)? I'd further suggest counting a +4 rating as 2.67, and a +5 rating as 3 (so a +5 rating would eliminate eco-damage completely).
Sanjuro	posted 04-12-99 06:02 AM ET I completely agree with VictorK, considering that the Gaians are the only faction that can achieve a PLANET rating of 5, this would make sense. Another thing you could consider to aleviate the pain of terraforming is to add some new techs into alpha.txt which increase the nutrient, mineral or energy output in fungus. These tech should be quite late in the tree (otherwise it become very unbalanced) and have no other advantages. This way you can at least 'use' the fungus that pops up and together with the empath chopper trick reduce the hassle to an acceptable level.
Sanjuro	posted 04-13-99 06:22 AM ET By the way has someone else noticed that the ecology damage sometimes drops without any reason after a fungus explosion??? Is this a feature or a bug? It seems random though, and it does not only happen at the base the fungus explosion was.
JAMiAM	posted 04-13-99 07:15 AM ET Sanjuro, It is a feature. It is Planet restoring balance. JAMiAM