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Oliver posted 03-11-99 10:13 AM ET   Click Here to See the Profile for Oliver   Click Here to Email Oliver  
Dear all,
I've been playing the UK version oc SMAC and have got into a great position in the game. However the game crashes (with the notorious Terran.exe crash I believe.
I missed all the discussion about the Terran crash and how to fix it. Would someone please help me as I cannot play the game anymore.

And come on Firaxis - give us a European Patch.

The following message appears with the crash if it's of any use.

TERRAN caused an invalid page fault in
module TERRAN.EXE at 0157:0057a7a1.
Registers:
EAX=003521dc CS=0157 EIP=0057a7a1 EFLGS=00010212
EBX=00000004 SS=015f ESP=00c2531c EBP=00c2544c
ECX=00000002 DS=015f ESI=00000002 FS=4f37
EDX=00972c94 ES=015f EDI=00000007 GS=0000
Bytes at CS:EIP:
84 98 2c ef 99 00 74 11 8b 4d 08 8a 80 2b ef 99
Stack dump:
00000002 00001a9c 00000083 6c746147 20676e69 74746142 20797265 00326b4d 00000032 00c25358 00f76095 0104f73c 00000008 00000069 00000000 00c253b4

Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS posted 03-11-99 10:29 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS  Click Here to Email Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS     
Where does it crash? After playing for a while? If so, try reloading from a previous autosave (like 10 turns back). Also, try adding ForceOldVoxelAlgorithm=1 to the alpha centauri.ini file and/or disabling unit animations. Make sure you're not running out of HD space if the crash isn't repeatable and that windows manages your swapfile.

jkm

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Oliver posted 03-11-99 12:35 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Oliver  Click Here to Email Oliver     
It crashes in the year 2292. The precise moment is when it asks me if I want to upgrade existing units at no extra cost. No matter what I answer it crashes.
Oliver posted 03-11-99 12:45 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Oliver  Click Here to Email Oliver     
...and I've tried all that you have suggested. Still crashes. Still frustrating. I've got so far in the game and cannot continue because if this error. It kinda makes me not want to play again incase the same thing happens. I'll check out my savegame on another machine tonight and hopefully that'll work.
FredJowett posted 03-11-99 01:03 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for FredJowett  Click Here to Email FredJowett     
Just to add my voice to those complaining about this crash in Terran.exe. I have experienced this failure many times. The problem is (for me) intermittent, and started to occur after three or four hours of play (I haven't even been able to finish a game yet). The crash could happen mid-turn, or at the end-of-turn. Coincidentally, perhaps, these crashes occurred about the same time as I started to suffer from incipient DLL-rot which eventually resulted in a total windows re-install. I am unclear as to whether the one was the cause of the other, or in which direction. It could be completely unrelated (I think my machine was over-heating). Who knows?

Anyway, my details are (it's an old system, so please don't laugh):

UK version.
Pentium-166
Windows 95 OSR2
64Mb RAM
8.4Gb + 2.1Gb disks
Soundblaster AWE64
Matrox Mystique Graphics Card
Mitsumi 16xCD-Rom
Phillips SCSI CD-RW
AdvanSys SCSI card
Plustek Flatbed Scanner
Epson Stylus 600 Printer
Iomega ZIP drive (parallel)
Motorola 56k Modem
Logitech Mouse

I'm sure my mouse is totally irrelevant, but I've included it anyway. I haven't tried any of the suggestions mentioned here - I haven't even re-installed the game yet. I'll try it at the weekend.

Cheers,

Fred

GaryD posted 03-11-99 01:13 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for GaryD    
Just wanted to say "Hey ! Join the club."

If you are interested I get that problem all the time (although I haven't tried the Force... thing yet... when I get home tonight maybe ?)

I only got problems after loading/playing SMAC. I've since reloaded so many things that I am now getting crashes at other times too. (No it isn't a virus I've checked with 3 seperate up-to-date checkers.)

I think I'll need to format the whole disk and start again soon. Ah, the fun of owning a PC ...

Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS posted 03-11-99 01:49 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS  Click Here to Email Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS     
Crashes that occur after prolonged periods of play may be related to virtual memory. Ensure you've got plenty of HD space and that windows is managing your swapfile. You also have the autosaves. The crash that is occuring at a specific date, send a save to me at [email protected]. I should be able to get you past it, if it's system problem.

jkm

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Oliver posted 03-12-99 05:03 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Oliver  Click Here to Email Oliver     
I played the game for 4 hours last night and lo and behold it crashed again. And it's a repeating crash that I can't get past. I think I'll give this game a rest now until Firaxis sort this problem out. It seems a lot of people have payed a lot of money to have a faulty and bugged game on their machine. Frankly I'm not HP.
mic posted 03-12-99 08:38 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for mic  Click Here to Email mic     
I know I'm not supposed to send this, but it seems to help. Since I hold EA (not Firaxis) responsible for their policy of 'one version per continent', I feel I can mention this.

Protected software always causes more trouble than unprotected and, since I paid my license anyway, installing the US version helps, without keeping me awake because of bad vibes.

So it does with SMAC. Around the threads, some people littered some URLs of the US TERRAN.EXE (this will turn your UK version into a US version). After that, get the patch and install. I'm not saying I'll email it to you, but you could give it a try

I'm not HP either, nor am I Microsoft. But when it comes to these kind of things, I'd rather be the first

Sorry Jeff...

Oliver posted 03-12-99 09:20 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Oliver  Click Here to Email Oliver     
Been there. Tried that. No joy (sob). But thanks anyway.
Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS posted 03-12-99 10:19 AM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS  Click Here to Email Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS     
Send in the save to [email protected] if you want to. I'll get you past it.

jkm

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Sabreur posted 03-13-99 09:22 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Sabreur  Click Here to Email Sabreur     
Jeff-
You mentioned that there might be problems with virtual memory. Can you give us an idea of the maximum amount of memory that SMAC could use? This would help out a lot in understanding whether some of us can rule out low memory as contributing to all the game-ending crashes. Thanks.
nightlord posted 03-14-99 01:10 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for nightlord  Click Here to Email nightlord     
I may just be lucky but eversince changing from the UK terran.exe to the US one and running the v.2 patch I have not had a single crash despite running SMAC on an Overclocked 6X86 p120+ cyrix with a 2mg ATI Mach64 video card with 48mg ram.
I have got all the wy through to 2650 so far without a single crash or lockup.
I have not had to rename sound.dll or anything like that HOWEVER I have got the music turned off and fast move all units selected.

I hope this helps

Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS posted 03-14-99 01:21 PM ET     Click Here to See the Profile for Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS  Click Here to Email Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS     
Not really. It would be determined by the size of the map and the number of units. Just let windows manage your swapfile and have 100-200 megs free on that drive.

jkm

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